[Sport] NBA, BOOM SHAKALAKKKAAA ! Options

[Roberto Sedinho]

Ils vont être moyens jusqu'à l'approche du All Star Game ou ça va commencer à couper à tout va et ils récupèreront tranquillement des bons joueurs pour compléter l'effectif.
Même Melo avant ça, un 4 qui défend pas super, ils connaissent déjà.

[Naldo]

Je suis pas spécialiste de NBA, mais j'ai quand meme l'impression que sa carrière aura été moyenne non?

Non.

C'est l'un des tous meilleurs attaquants au monde sur ces 15 dernières années.
Après effectivement il a jamais fait mieux qu'une finale de conférence (où il chute honorablement face aux futurs champions) et son investissement défensif a toujours été un peu douteux.

Mais dire d'un mec 10 fois all star que sa carrère (pas finie en plus) aura été moyenne c'est n'importe quoi

[D'Alessandro]

+1

Ils se sont débarrassés de mecs hyper importants pour le spacing, et c'est en partie grâce à ce genre de gars que Embiid et surtout Simmons claquent de si grosses perfs.

Butler va apporter de la dureté défensive mais réglera pas les pbs offensifs des Sixers.

Ils feront demi de conf pas mieux. Je parle même pas du désastre si Embiid se blesse (proba plus que probable)


Ah et aussi j'ai le seum qu'il soit pas allé aux Rockets

L'effectif de Phila était déjà déséquilibré et perd Saric et Covington pour Butler. Covington qui ne sera jamais pas qu'un joueur correct et Saric qui a du mal à co-exister avec les autres "stars" depuis leur émergence.
Ils vont chercher à prendre un ailier et un second poster avec Amir, Chandler, Fultz, McConnell ça reste très correct.
Après évidemment que si Jojo se blesse, c'est fini. Mais en l'état, ils se sont renforcés sans perdre grand chose (et ils misent encore sur Fultz, à voir s'il va leur rendre). C'est plus leur été qui n'avait pas été bon.

Non.

C'est l'un des tous meilleurs attaquants au monde sur ces 15 dernières années.
Après effectivement il a jamais fait mieux qu'une finale de conférence (où il chute honorablement face aux futurs champions) et son investissement défensif a toujours été un peu douteux.

Mais dire d'un mec 10 fois all star que sa carrère (pas finie en plus) aura été moyenne c'est n'importe quoi

On le comparait avec LeBron à leur arrivée en NBA quand même

[Guest_jopha14_supprimé]

J’me rappelle au collège la draft avec Lebron et Carmelo ça mettait le feu et il y’avait une team lebron et une team melo
J’étais coté Lebron

[florian]

On le comparait avec LeBron à leur arrivée en NBA quand même

C'était quand même assez évident qu'il y avait un gap entre les 2. Le lycéen avait le potentiel de marquer l'histoire de la ligue, le champion universitaire celui d'un franchise player (qu'il a été qq saisons à Denver, jusqu'à une finale de conf').

[Houdini]

Qu'il prenne sa retraite ce déchet.

Arrête. Il doit revenir et prendre sa retraite sous le maillot des Knicks. On veut du tanking mais on veut surtout de l'émotion dans la défaite.


Episode 2.

[Amo]

Non.

C'est l'un des tous meilleurs attaquants au monde sur ces 15 dernières années.
Après effectivement il a jamais fait mieux qu'une finale de conférence (où il chute honorablement face aux futurs champions) et son investissement défensif a toujours été un peu douteux.

Mais dire d'un mec 10 fois all star que sa carrère (pas finie en plus) aura été moyenne c'est n'importe quoi

Merci de rétablir certaines vérités.

[nappy]

Les Knicks continuent de monter au classement de la Mock
L'année prochaine la frontcourt Zion/Unicorn/Mitchell Robinson ça sera

[Oyé Sapapaya]

L'embrouille Green/ Durant

[DimSet]

L'embrouille Green/ Durant

Unpacking the draymond green-Kevin Durant rift and what the fall out could mean long term

The future might point back to this moment as the end. A random November game at Staples Center, against a Clippers team that history wouldn’t otherwise remember, was the opening salvo in the destruction of a dynasty.

Who gets the blame depends on who you ask.

Some will blame Draymond Green for unleashing a tirade on Kevin Durant, one so personal and biting things could never be the same afterward.

Some will point to Durant, who repeatedly dangled free agency over the heads of his teammates and tested the patience of his peers, several of whom suspect he’s leaving at the end of the season.

Perhaps the lion’s share should go to general manager Bob Myers and coach Steve Kerr, who escalated the stakes by suspending Green for a game without pay, costing him $120,000 but most important morphing an in-house feud into a public rebuke of Green and open support of Durant.

The irony. In the end, it may not be the Houston Rockets or the Boston Celtics to dethrone the Warriors. What if it’s failing organs and internal bleeding that lead to the end of the Dubs dominance? What if one of the greatest teams in NBA history was broken apart by a front-office attempt at appeasement?

By now, everyone knows how this all started. I talked to multiple sources — in the locker room, the front office and to adjacent parties — to find out what happened and what happens next. The drama didn’t begin until the end of regulation against the Clippers on Monday. That’s when Durant barked at Green for not getting him the ball in the final seconds. The two-time Finals MVP pounded the chair in frustration as he chided the team’s leading assist man.

Green took exception to how Durant addressed him. The exact dialogue couldn’t be recounted as it was said, but it began with Green immediately firing back.

Who the fuck you talking to?

According to multiple sources, Green then went on to make it clear he’s been making plays for years. He reminded Durant the Warriors were winning before Durant showed up so he wouldn’t stand for Durant talking to him as if he were a scrub. Green accused Durant of making the whole season about him even though he was going to leave after this season. Green let out his frustrations about how Durant has handled free agency — keeping his options open and keeping the story alive, consuming the Warriors and their season with talk of what Durant will do next.

That’s the mild version. The original version included Green calling Durant a “bitch” several times — disrespect that management said was too harsh to overlook.

Tuesday morning, Myers and Kerr met with Green and told him they were suspending him for a game. They acknowledged his propensity to live on the edge but said he crossed over this time. They had to punish him and they had to do it this way.

Green was surprised by the heavy-handedness. A fine was expected. Green had just come back from injury, giving him a rest day for Tuesday’s game against Atlanta and a private fine would have been an acceptable rebuke of his behavior. He was fined a few thousand dollars when he went after Kerr in the locker room in Oklahoma City in 2016. He didn’t think this incident was nearly as bad, so the punishment being drastically worse was shocking.

Why didn’t they just fine him privately as they have before?

“If we thought that was the right thing to do,” one front office executive said, “we would have. We have to do what we think is right.”

The issue isn’t the money but the message the punishment sends.

Durant’s free agency has been a low-key issue with the players. It registered as a small irritation. The burden of talking about it, reading about it, hearing about it, grew heavier in Year 3 of the Durant Experience. Players like Green and Klay Thompson, who also have free agency pending, have been lumped into the frenzy. Both have declared they want to stay with the Warriors. But because of Durant’s uncertainty, the future of the dynasty is in the air and such leads to speculation Green and Thompson have to address.

According to several in the locker room, Durant could have ended this by just saying how much he loves playing with the Warriors and his teammates and leave it at that, even if he departs in the offseason. They are all prepared for him to leave so they just want the cloud hanging over them to go away. Another option would be to reject all questions about free agency and force the media to focus on this season, a way of protecting his teammates.

Durant has said he doesn’t want to lead anybody on. But Green is part of a contingent that believes Durant has a hand in creating the hype about his free agency, a tangential focus that detracts from their mission of winning a third straight title.

Myers and Kerr were made aware of Green’s concerns in their meeting. Green also shared them with Curry, who visited Green’s house before Tuesday’s game to get Green’s side, Curry’s efforts to repair the situation.

The general consensus: Green was wrong for going so hard at Durant instead of having a hard-but-civil conversation, and Green was wrong for when he decided to address this situation — in the middle of a game they were trying to win. Green admitted as much to Curry and several believe he would have (and still will) cop to that. But the general consensus also is that Green’s concerns about how Durant has handled free agency weren’t off base.

Durant’s teammates have made it clear privately they aren’t on board for another Please-Stay-KD tour. And Durant has said he doesn’t want to be recruited. But the decision to suspend Green publicly seems to be a signal from management that they do care about recruiting Durant.

Management is holding fast to its stance that Green crossed a line that can’t be crossed. Some say it’s just “Draymond being Draymond.” At least two said he did go too far, attacking his teammate personally. One player was even concerned that Green may have lost his authority in the locker room, the berating was so over-the-top.

“With what was said, there is already no way Durant is coming back,” one player said. “The only hope is that they can say this summer, ‘See, KD. We’ve got your back. We protected you from Draymond.’ ”

Of course, Green now has to be wondering who is protecting him. He is the one committed to the Warriors and has given everything. He is the one who has declared he wants to stay with the Warriors. He was one of the founders of this dynasty and he built it with the same fire that scolded Durant on Monday. And they know who he is. They know it’s only a matter of time before he owns up and makes amends. Why was this time so unbearable? Why was this offense the final straw?

If Green loses out in the power struggle with Durant, who can win outside of Curry?

It’s hard not to wonder how Green and Kerr, who have such a volatile history of love and hate, get through this. It must be measured how deep the crack is in Green’s allegiance to the Warriors now that Myers, who with Curry is Green’s biggest supporter in the franchise, has signed off on this stance.

Is this a referendum on Green? If so, did they just lose him — if not physically yet, spiritually? Did they just signal to him he’s the All-Star they are willing to part with, and does that quench his fire for the Warriors?

What if Durant decides to leave in free agency and Green wants out? Do the Warriors make a trade to head off that potential outcome?

Divides have been created that now must be repaired. The relationship between Green and Durant is rubble and needs to be rebuilt. The relationship between Green and management seems to be similarly in shambles, but it has been before and perhaps can be spared again. Then there is the relationship between the Warriors and Durant, who is probably sour on the whole Warriors experience now, and how that impacts the rest of the season.

This isn’t a situation that will just blow over. Teammates are at odds and, forced to or not, management appears to have chosen a side. The only answer is another championship.

One player is certain Durant and Green can co-exist because neither wants to be the reason they don’t win. The Warriors just might have enough talent to overcome resentment and bitterness in their midst.

The question is whether anyone has words powerful enough to bridge chasms now permanent.

In the middle of the visiting locker room at Staples that night, as voices rose with the tension, an unlikely source stepped up and re-shifted the focus of the defending champions.

It wasn’t Curry. He wasn’t with the team in Los Angeles thanks to a groin injury. It wasn’t Green, the spark of the drama. It wasn’t Durant, who fumed in silence while the Warriors conversed heatedly amongst themselves.

It was Klay Thompson, the Warriors’ most carefree star, who spoke up, an occasion rare enough to turn the room down a few notches. While respected veterans Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston did their usual part to restore order, Thompson hit the mark as if it were a spot-up 3.

“We all want to win,” Thompson said in the locker room after the game, per accounts of people in the room. “That’s all this is about. We all want to win. I think we’re the only team that can beat us. Nobody else can beat us. So let’s go kick ass.”

[DimSet]

Il va être tellement beau dans un maillot des Knicks

[florian]

il sait shooter ?

[DimSet]

il sait shooter ?

Il sait tout faire. LeBron 2.0 en mieux et avec une vraie personnalité

Mais qui a besoin qu'il shoot :

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1062867309755277318?s=19

— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1062869477073829888?s=19

— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011

https://twitter.com/FirstTeam101/status/1062968135836450817?s=19

— CulturePSG (@CulturePSG) November7, 2011

Tank for Zion

[Guest_jopha14_supprimé]

C'est un monstre le Zion

Après je suis pas loin d'espérer une blessure pour avoir Doumbouya numéro 1
Hoard devrait taper le top 10 aussi a priori d'ailleurs

[florian]

Mais qui a besoin qu'il shoot

Tu sais bien qu'on n'existe pas sans shoot de nos jours. Les freaks ça peut vite faire des flops. On parle beaucoup de lui mais je n'ai vu que des videos d'alley-oops et de dunks à l'échauffement jusque là. Je ne sais pas trop où il en est niveau basket.

[Alucard]

Il sera parfait aux Cavs avec Sexton.

[Roberto Sedinho]

Tu sais bien qu'on n'existe pas sans shoot de nos jours. Les freaks ça peut vite faire des flops. On parle beaucoup de lui mais je n'ai vu que des videos d'alley-oops et de dunks à l'échauffement jusque là. Je ne sais pas trop où il en est niveau basket.

Justement ce que j'ai lu moi depuis le début de la saison NCAA c'est qu'il surprend tout le monde car pas que du physique. Il est techniquement bon, shoote de loin pas trop mal et a une belle vision du jeu.

C'est un monstre le Zion

Après je suis pas loin d'espérer une blessure pour avoir Doumbouya numéro 1
Hoard devrait taper le top 10 aussi a priori d'ailleurs

Doncic n'a pas été N°1 je rappelle

[gandjao]

C'est un monstre le Zion

Après je suis pas loin d'espérer une blessure pour avoir Doumbouya numéro 1
Hoard devrait taper le top 10 aussi a priori d'ailleurs

Ils sont français? J'espère que ça sera mieux que Ntilikina

[Oyé Sapapaya]

C'est un monstre le Zion

Après je suis pas loin d'espérer une blessure pour avoir Doumbouya numéro 1
Hoard devrait taper le top 10 aussi a priori d'ailleurs

Tu oublis ses deux collègues de Duke

[Houdini]

Le duo Zion/KD
Ça va être trop facile.